At the heart of both Abolish ICE and Defund the Police is a conversation about who is incarcerated and criminalized. The movements share the belief that regardless of the badge, bad law enforcement practices and policies affect the safety and well-being of people across the United States.

Blaine Bookey, the Co-Legal Director at the Center for Gender & Refugee Studies at the University of California Hastings College of the Law, discusses "Protecting Asylum-Seeking Women and Children Under Trump." The conversation was moderated by Aya Fujimura-Fanselow, Senior Legal Fellow and Supervising Attorney of Duke Law's International Human Rights Clinic.